Monday, February 4th, 2008
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| this Week in Wayfarers:
* views on the proposed Wayfarer solution - 1 * more on Perth from our world traveller, Dave Hansman (W282) * Mike McKechnie sends action shot of his new Hartley Wayfarer (W10510) * in vino veritas??? * on-line search for a magic box * the universal problem of recovery from a capsize - Mato Ilijic checks in from Croatia * the fascinating voyages of Webb Chiles * no Midwinters for Uncle Al this year * |
| Subject: views on the proposed
Wayfarer solution - 1 from Gary Hirsch (W1321) in Michigan: -----
Original Message -----
From:
Gary Hirsch (W1321)
To:
'Al Schonborn'
Sent:
Saturday, January 26, 2008 4:41 PM
Subject:
The Proctor Report
Uncle Al,
It is quite a bit easier to vote on something that is unlikely to affect my future much. However, I think that the history of the Wayfarer and its great design features and sailing performance should not perish either. Given today’s market forces, I think that having a manufacturer willing to produce a certain boat is certainly something that should be pondered on carefully. The loss of value on used boats is minor compared to the costs that the class is asking the manufacturer to absorb. With the trend in the number of racers and new hull certificates being issued in recent years, I would have a hard time recommending that the manufacturer spend any significant dollars. I can’t help to wonder while reading this report, why doesn’t the manufacturer place the hull into a jig while attaching the deck and then he has the same measurements as hull #1? How hard can that be? I am obviously not tuned into the manufacturing process and so my comment may be a joke to those that know. The short answer is that, in my opinion, the proposal should be accepted by the class, if Hartley can accept it. Gary PS – This certainly was an interesting read of the history behind this design. -----
Original Message -----
From:
Al Schonborn
To:
Gary (W1321)
Sent:
Wednesday, January 30, 2008 9:29 PM
Hi, Gary:
Well put!! As I
understand it, they took a chance because people were very eager to get
their new boats for last summer's Worlds. I'm sure that all future
boats will be done without attempted shortcuts.
Best regards,
Uncle Al (W3854)
from Richard Johnson (W10139), USWA rep to the WIC: -----
Original Message -----
From:
Richard Johnson (W10139)
Sent:
Tuesday, January 29, 2008 1:29 AM
Subject:
Wayfarer proposal
I’m impressed with
Given the nature of dinghy manufacturing and general business conditions, the Wayfarer associations should begin negotiations with Hartley, that in the event that Hartley goes into receivership that the organization would have first rights to purchase all documentation and moulds related to the W. This could be difficult and potentially expensive, but necessary in order for the class to maintain control, or regain control over the design in the event that Hartley goes under. No one likes to think about this kind of stuff, but as the last two years have shown, we need to look out for our own best interests, and unfortunately, that is never cheep. Also we need to get this done as a contract. The leverage being that if Hartley did go under, the designs and moulds might have little or no value to other manufacturers and could be potentially destroyed as was mentioned in Roger’s report. We need to plan for this potential problem. The worst that could happen would be that the organization ends up with a lot of cash on hand. Thanks, Richard -----
Original Message -----
From:
Al Schonborn
To:
Johnson, Richard
Cc:
Roger Proctor
Sent:
Wednesday, January 30, 2008 9:44 PM
Hi, Richard:
I like your thinking
but would venture to say that the Class is not well set up to be mould
owners, etc. I'm wondering if Roger (and IPD Ltd.) wouldn't already
have something like this in place in their contract with Hartley
Laminates since several of these designs built by Hartley were Ian
Proctor creations that IPD would be loath to see destroyed. IPD would
be far better equipped to handle such a turn of events than would any
NCA or the WIC. I have copied Roger to see what he thinks/can tell us.
Certainly, the NCA's and WIC could work on raising at least part of the
necessary money to help out with such a purchase?
See you next week at
Eustis!!
Best regards,
Uncle Al (W3854)
from Richard Haylock (W4673) in Scotland: -----
Original Message -----
From:
Haylocks
Sent:
Monday, January 28, 2008 9:24 AM
Subject:
Hartley Ws
Definitely for
this proposal.
Best regards
Richard Haylock
W4673
from Andrew Haill (W9657) in Thunder Bay, Ontario:
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Original Message -----
From:
Al Schonborn
To:
Andrew Haill
Sent:
Wednesday, January 30, 2008 10:17 PM
Hi, Andrew:
... Regarding the
Hartley proposal, it's too late to add things to it now, but I think it
is safe to say that he will be urged to consult with the Class before
further changes are made.
See you at the
Midwinters next week!!
Best regards,
Uncle Al (W3854)
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| Subject: more on Perth
from our world traveller, Dave Hansman (W282) -----
Original Message -----
From:
Hansman, Dave
To:
Al Schonborn
Sent:
Monday, January 28, 2008 11:59 PM
Subject:
An Australian Wayfarer?
I had a grand time sailing with the keel boats at Royal Perth Yacht Club last weekend. But the RPYC isn’t just about keel boats, they also have an extensive junior program involving training and racing with Optimists, Lasers, and Tasers. Like most Australian clubs, the dinghies are stored inside to prevent sun damage. The attached photos show the storage areas.    In conversation with the club development officer, I found out that he was familiar with the Wayfarer. Apparently, a former member who moved south to the Margaret River area of Western Australia, has a Wayfarer, sailed it at RPYC, and took it with him when he moved. This sounds like an excuse for me to do a little more weekend “detective” work next time I have a chance to get to Perth. Margaret River is a fine wine producing area located about 300 km south of Perth. Reluctantly leaving the warm climates of 30° south latitude and returning to Canada later this week. Best regards, Dave Hansman W282 |
| Subject: Mike McKechnie sends action
shot of his new Hartley Wayfarer (W10510) -----
Original Message -----
From:
Mike McKechnie (W10510)
Sent:
Sunday, January 27, 2008 4:51 PM
Subject:
Re: Proposal for Hartley Wayfarer
Dear Uncle Al,
Nice to hear from you. I remember you well from the Canada
Worlds. Attached is a picture of my latest Danegeld. A Hartley. Sail
number 10510. I don't know what's going to happen but it would be nice
to keep the sail number!
All the best, Mike
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Original Message -----
From:
Al Schonborn
To:
Mike McKechnie (W10510)
Sent:
Wednesday, January 30, 2008 10:44 PM
Hi, Mike:
Thanks for the
lovely photo which I will include in Monday's Weekly Whiffle.
I was so impressed when I heard that you had gotten to the Worlds in
Copenhagen, discovered the Hartley dilemma, turned around and went back
to England and brought your other Wayfarer!! Very few people would have
that kind of lovely keenness and Wayfarer spirit! You are a guy after
my own heart!
And don't I
recall a picture of you guys from this Worlds, from a race in which
things were not going too well for you, where there was a picture of
you son/crew? looking pretty under-amused by it all! I thought it was a
classic!!
Anyway, hope
the rest of your winter passes quickly and painlessly!!
Best regards,
Uncle Al (W3854)
PS: Provided
my doctor does not have other ideas, I am leaving for the Midwinters in
Florida on Tuesday!!
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| Subject: in vino
veritas??? -----
Original Message -----
From:
Dan Hockenberry (Rebel 4180)
To:
... Al Schonborn
Sent:
Saturday, January 26, 2008 9:12 PM
Subject:
Wine is King!
To my friends who enjoy a glass of wine.. and to those who don't. As Ben Franklin said: In wine there is wisdom, in beer there is freedom, in water there is bacteria. In a number of carefully controlled trials, scientists have demonstrated that if we drink 1 liter of water each day, at the end of the year we would have absorbed more than 1 kilo of Escherichia coli, (E. coli) - bacteria found in feces. In other words, we are consuming 1 kilo of poop. However, we do not run that risk when drinking wine & beer (or tequila, rum, whiskey or other liquor) because alcohol has to go through a purification process of boiling, filtering and/or fermenting. Remember: Water = Poop, Wine = Health Therefore, it's better to drink wine and talk stupid, than to drink water and be full of shit. There is no need to thank me for this valuable information: I'm doing it as a public service. |
Subject: on-line search for a magic
box
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Subject: the universal problem of
recovery from a capsize - Mato Ilijic checks in
from Croatia
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Original Message -----
From:
Al Schonborn
To:
Mato Ilijic
Sent:
Thursday, January 31, 2008 10:43 PM
Hi, Mato:
How nice to hear from
you! It took me a long time to read all that interesting capsize stuff
that your link took me to. Scary, in a way. Makes me glad I have a
wooden W - as Matt said: "It's been all downhill from there." That is
probably not true for many, but like Matt Sharman, I love my wooden
boat and wouldn't trade her for anything. I also liked your diagram of
the righting rope threaded through a hole in the tip of the CB, and
then the response that a longer righting rope attached to the shroud
might avoid the CB hole, but of course, pulling from that far lower
(the far side shroud attachment point vs. the tip of the fully
"lowered" board) would drastically reduce your leverage, would
it not.
Someone recently said:
"The solution is simple: just don't capsize!!" Which is a bit of a pipe
dream, and yet should be nearly 100% achievable. The only capsizes that
I have ever heard of that were unpreventable (as far as I can tell)
were the Frank Dye rolled on his way to Norway in F9 in 1964.
One last thing I found
interesting and surprising on the Forum was confirmation of something I
had noticed: a(n over)loaded W seems to be much more stable, something
I have especially noticed on runs.
I may check in on the
Forum from time to time, but am afraid that I'll become addicted and
then not have enough time to "feed" my Whiffle Web.
Best regards,
Uncle Al (W3854)
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Original Message -----
From:
Mato Ilijic
To:
Al Schonborn
Sent:
Friday, February 01, 2008 6:02 PM
Subject:
W righting ideas
Hi Al! Thanks for your reply. I added something to the discussion regarding inversion, righting and "cb hole idea", but will paste it here for you as well: Hi Dave! Hi all! Following Dave's suggestion I've discussed the idea with an architect - obviously a better authority for discussing statics and forces than myself being a film editor. He confirmed that pushing the sailor's body weight away from the boat with the help of a line should be considerably advantageous compared to just holding onto the centreboard itself. But he also said that since the sailor's body moves together with the boat during righting (at least in the initial phase), it is irrelevant where the righting line is attached to - only the position of sailor's centre of mass is important. Therefore it can be concluded that my previous suggestion about hanging yourself onto the centreboard tip via a length of line is stupid as it only brings the risk of braking the centreboard. It is much better to use long righting lines - just as Dave pointed in his post.  Perhaps this was all obvious to everyone involved here, but I felt obliged to correct myself here and perhaps motivate anyone involved in cruising without righting lines prepared, to think about it again. Thanks Dave! Best regards to all, Mato |
| Subject:
the fascinating voyages of Webb Chiles -----
Original Message -----
From:
Mato Ilijic
To:
Al Schonborn
Sent:
Friday, February 01, 2008 6:02 PM
Subject:
Webb Chiles
Have you ever heard of a guy called Webb Chiles? I've just found out
about him a few days ago, and discovered also that he has set up a
fascinating web site related to his voyages. Don't miss his "books"
section!http://www.inthepresentsea.com/webbchiles.html Best regards! Mato |
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